Sunday, September 14, 1997 © 1997 (Group)
Participants: Mary (Michael), Vicki (Lawrence), Ron (Olivia),
Cathy (Shynla), David (Mylo), Gail (William), Bob (Siman), Drew (Matthew),
Norm (Stephen), Reta (Dehl), Bobbi (Jale), Stella (Cindel), Marcos (Marta),
and Norma (Paul).
Elias was definitely "on" tonight! This was a fun session!
Elias arrives at 6:43 PM. (Time was ten seconds)
ELIAS: Good evening! (Grinning) We shall begin this evening with our
VICKI: Well, I'll start. For Mary: Ilda, rituals, tattooing.
VICKI: For Jo: Ilda, personality types, Gypsy Rose Lee.
VICKI: For Paul: Sumari, authors, Robert Monroe.
ELIAS: Less probable.
VICKI: Sumafi, birds, crow. (also for Paul)
ELIAS: Less probable.
VICKI: Zuli, artists, Prince. (also for Paul)
ELIAS: (Chuckling) Acceptable.
VICKI: For myself: Borledim, constellations, the Little Dipper.
CATHY: I want to open a new category for board games.
ELIAS: So entered.
CATHY: Okay! In that category, I'd like to connect the Ouija Board with
Sumari. (We all crack up, as Elias is representing the Sumari family in
the action of the shift, but he refuses to play Ouija!)
ELIAS: (Laughing) One point!
CATHY: Thank you!
ELIAS: Be remembering that this essence is not Sumari! (Chuckling)
CATHY: It's still fun to say it, though!
ELIAS: Quite! I am acknowledging of your gleefulness! (Laughter, and
then a pause during which Elias is staring at Ron)
RON: I have no impressions!
ELIAS: (Chuckling) Tsk, tsk, tsk, Olivia.
RON: I'm ashamed.
ELIAS: (Humorously) You should be! (Laughter) Not much connecting with
STELLA: I have one, but I don't know if it's ... because I don't know
the game. But why do I keep saying that I am Talmud instead of Tumold?
What is the connection with Talmud? I keep saying Talmud! I know it's a
Jewish thing and I know I have some Jewish thing there, but why Talmud?
I confuse the two, Talmud and Tumold.
ELIAS: (Grinning) This be a bleed-through ...
ELIAS: ... of another focus within ancient time period.
STELLA: Oh, okay. So that's why I feel so strongly connected to the
ELIAS: Correct, although the correct pronunciation is Tumold.
STELLA: Yes! (Elias chuckles) Thank you.
ELIAS: This evening, we shall be entering as students of The Great and
All-Knowing Teacher of Elias in the classroom of Acceptance 102! (We all
lose it. Elias was very humorous tonight! Keep in mind that the delivery
of the following was extremely comical and jocular.)
RETA: I like that!
ELIAS: As the prerequisite is Acceptance 101 of Self, Acceptance 102
being the continuation in acceptance of other individuals and their belief
systems and how to be approaching and addressing to other individuals,
for this question is posed many times. Therefore, the professor will now
be instructing in step-by-step "methods" ... (grinning at Reta, and we
all crack up again)
RETA: Well, I think it's about time!
ELIAS: ... of how you may be addressing to other individuals approaching
you with regard to their experiences within the present shift, and also
within their belief systems. I will be answering your questions subsequently,
after our brief lecture. (Laughter)
We begin with the scenario that an individual may be approaching you
-- the much-studied students -- (we all lose it again) and may be inquiring
of you for information with regard to their experiences and in relation
to their belief systems, which they of course do not know that they hold.
But you, in your great wisdom, recognize that they hold belief systems,
unlike yourselves! (Grinning) As the individual approaches you and is inquiring
of you for your great wisdom, your response, as Step Two, shall be initially
not to be responding. This is your Step Two. Step One is the approach of
the other individual. Are you writing this down, Dehl? (We all lose it
RETA: Well, you see, I flunked out of 101! (Wild laughter) Maybe I'm
not supposed to be in 102!
ELIAS: (Laughing) We shall be skipping you ahead! I shall move slowly,
that you may be writing all of these steps for your method down carefully
and not missing a word! You may also acquire a tape, if you are so choosing,
for your remembrance! On sale now at your local forum! (Much laughter)
Step Two is, as I have stated, to not be responding.
Step Three would be -- (to Reta) write carefully! -- to be listening
carefully to the expression of the other individual and assessing within
you, engaging your inner senses, the situation and the position of the
other individual; assessing within you, taking into account -- (to Reta)
you are not writing! (laughter) -- their very strong belief systems, which
they are very unaware of, for they are not "enlightened" yet, for they
have not engaged Acceptance 101!
Step Four would be to be intuitively responding to the other individual.
Step Five would be to be arranging your language to be accommodating
and accepting of the other individual's belief systems.
Step Six is to be reminding yourself that your point is not to be changing
another individual's perception or belief systems.
Step Seven is to be reminding yourself that your point is to be offering
information in a helpful manner, and not to be concerning yourself with
responsibility of another individual's reality.
Step Eight is to be reminding yourself that another individual's reality
is their reality, and IS REALITY! (Pause, staring at Reta)
ELIAS: You have eight steps presently? (Grinning at Reta)
RETA: Yes! (Somebody says, "She does!" inspiring much laughter)
ELIAS: Very good! Step Nine is to be placed before Step One ... (To
Reta) You may draw an arrow above Step One! (Grinning widely)
ELIAS: ... to be engaging presently!
RETA: Engaging presently??
ELIAS: Correct, with all individuals that you are within contact of.
RETA: I have already begun that!
ELIAS: Ah! She has accomplished Step Nine before Step One! (Much laughter)
I am acknowledging of your great accomplishment!
RETA: It takes a little while, but I'm doing it!
ELIAS: Very good! This is the end of the lecture of The Great Elias,
Professor of Acceptance 102, and you may all now be asking your questions,
which I shall very seriously consider answering!
DREW: Well, I have a question. Dehl could tell me better which step
it is, but one of them was to offer helpfulness after listening intuitively,
trying to understand. If we're not attempting to change their perception
or their belief systems, what direction is this helpfulness supposed to
ELIAS: That you may relate information to another individual, within
the context of their own belief systems, to be helpful to them in acknowledging
to them that they are not experiencing unusualness or non-reality or lunacy.
DREW: So we're talking about when people come to us with questions or
experiences directly related to the shift as opposed to any mundane, daily....
(Elias is grinning at Drew) Well, alright!
ELIAS: I express to you ... (To Reta) Note under Step Eight!
RETA: Okay! (Reta was very funny tonight too!)
ELIAS: ... that individuals shall be experiencing, within their mundane
everyday life, experiences in conjunction with this shift. (To Reta) Place
asterisk after this note, that you may be remembering of this information!
You may call this a footnote. (Grinning)
DREW: Just for clarity, I'm a little confused about that Step Nine,
what it is and how it comes before One. Can you just explain it one more
time? (You're so serious, Drew!)
ELIAS: This would be your activity in this process; engaging other individuals
DREW: So it's the engagement....
ELIAS: ... not necessarily merely waiting FOREVER for other individuals
to be approaching you! Take the initiative! (To Reta) Place another
asterisk by this statement! (Laughter)
RETA: Take the initiative. What has happened to me is, in the last few
months, instead of holding back on some conversation -- because I'm with
an awful lot of people -- I have sort of pushed into a lot of them and
asked them what their beliefs are in different things. And because we've
been working a lot of overtime lately, there's one individual I've had
to work with, and when you have the private time and you have to stop and
wait for machines and all that, you have time to talk. And instead of talking
about the business or things like that, I will start talking about their
belief systems and how they compare. And it's a darn good opening, and
it works! And the one person that I talk with a lot finally opened up and
said how many books about this he's read. Now, I would not have known that
had I not opened the conversation, of course, and then I told him a lot.
And now I've had five other people, because of him, come and ask me questions.
So, there's no doubt about it. You have to engage them.
ELIAS: Very good, Dehl! (Laughter)
STELLA: I have a question. Well actually, it's not a question. I kind
of do stuff like that, engaging people, and I don't necessarily ask them
anything. For instance, I have jelly beans on my desk, and the reason I
have the jelly beans is not so much because of the jelly beans, but because
people stop over at my desk. And I have some little cards there, and people
sometimes just take the time to maybe relax for one moment, one second,
and they might ask or they might say how they feel. Usually, that's what
happens. They're saying, "Oh, I'm terrible or horrible or great!" or whatever,
and usually I listen to just what they're saying. It feels really nice,
and so they go back to whatever they were doing and they have a different
attitude about what they've been doing ... so far. So I do engage a lot
of people in that way. For instance, the last time I brought this guy --
it was my ex-boss Mario, and I think you remember him -- and he's not the
type to have come to something like this. And then he called me the following
day wanting to know more about it, but in a way that I knew he's not really
interested, and I picked up on it. So what I said to him was, "Look. Just
experience whatever you're experiencing. It's okay. You don't have to go
crazy over this. Do whatever." Because I know where he's coming from, and
so I was able to just, you know ... whatever the experience. I don't know.
I don't know what the experience is for him, and I don't quite care in
a way, you know? I really don't. It's sort of like, I open myself up and
I do whatever, and if they take it, fine. If they don't, it's fine too.
I do what I have to do for me, most of the time.
ELIAS: Note "A" upon exam results for perfect engagement of all of these
steps! (Applause and laughter)
BOB: Teacher's pet!
STELLA: I always wanted to be a teacher's pet! I was never able to speak
up, and now I do! (Much laughter)
ELIAS: (Chuckling) And now we may be placing restraints, that she be
... shh ... quiet! (Laughter) Although you may be expressing....
STELLA: I'm so sorry! Nobody's going to stop me! I'm so sorry!
ELIAS: You need not be sorry! You may be expressing as very much as
you are choosing!
STELLA: I know! (Elias laughs)
CATHY: Well, I thought I did pretty good last night till Step Six! (Laughter)
VICKI: What happened at Step Six? (Vic's cracking up)
CATHY: When we got to Step Six, I'm thinking, "Oh man! These belief
systems! Holy-moly!" (Laughter)
ELIAS: (Chuckling) I acknowledge to you, Shynla, that you have been
accomplishing quite well within your yestereve. Now you may be engaging
Step Nine, placing this before Step One, and be initiating!
CATHY: Talk to Ron! He's the initiator! (Cathy's cracking up)
RON: I'm still trying to pass Engaging Your Inner Senses 101.
ELIAS: That was 104. Rememberer has difficult remembering!
RON: It's old age.
ELIAS: Nooo! THIS is old age! (We all lose it)
RETA: The one thing I found out, though -- I'm talking to you about
the religious side and my husband could step in and could probably talk
about the scientific side -- until the last few years, there's certain
things you just didn't talk to in certain religions, but now people are
more well-read and there is more out there in the bookstores and there's
more on TV and so on. And so as you do engage people, they are more well-read
and more questioning and more feeling that they want to know more, and
thinking about changing and giving up some of their old, staunch belief
systems. And then on the scientific side, which was always a place you
didn't dare to tread, in the last two or three years the greatest scientists
are finally openly talking about, "There must be something different."
So I don't think we need to restrict ourselves on the basis of stepping
on toes or walking into some areas where people aren't well-read. I think
everyone is talking about a change now.
ELIAS: The shift in consciousness is obvious. It is being recognized
by your entire planet. Individuals are experiencing everywhere, so to speak.
Therefore, it is unnecessary to be holding great apprehension in sharing
information ... but be studying your list! For the WAY that you are engaging
other individuals is important! You defeat yourself and your point by engaging
the action of your religious or scientific belief systems in attempting
to be forcing another individual to be accepting YOUR reality and YOUR
BOBBI: This week, a friend of mine, a dear friend, has had a very traumatic
week. Her oldest son, who is fourteen, was taken by the police to a mental
hospital and locked up, and she's very upset. This is why this is a perfect
lesson for me, although it's very hard to offer helpfulness within her
belief systems. She is very much rooted in the scientific medical beliefs
of the time. Could you give me some examples? I comfort her as much as
I can within what she will accept. I know that she is very ... not against,
but prejudiced towards any kind of new age thought.
ELIAS: Then do not be expressing to this individual within new age thought.
BOBBI: Well, I don't. That's why I find it very difficult though, in
terms of her belief systems in medicine and a future for her son, which
the doctors are not too positive about. I'm thinking perhaps her son is
one of these going through the traumatic effects of the shift, possibly.
He's extremely angry and violent. I'm unsure how to offer, you know, within
her belief systems. Is all I can do is really listen and be there for her
in light of that?
ELIAS: Listen to the belief systems of another individual. Recognize
that these belief systems ARE reality. They are not wrong. And also attempt
to be, within your language, creatively manipulating your language within
similarities of each other. You may hold different words for very similar
concepts or beliefs. One individual may be expressing to you, as an example,
their beliefs of god. You may believe that you do not believe in the concept
of god. Therefore, your language to yourself is different, but the concept
is the same. Therefore, you may use this as an example in all other areas,
that you may look for the commonality of your belief systems and recognizing
that your language may be slightly different, but your concepts are the
You differentiate your belief systems, expressing that one individual
holds one belief system and another individual holds a different belief
system. Their words are different. This individual holds a belief system
in your medical profession. You hold a belief system in new age healing.
They are the same. They are both belief systems that another individual
may heal you. YOU heal you. Therefore, what be the difference? You hold
the same belief systems. You merely camouflage them differently; this being
your steps of acceptance of another individual's belief systems, in recognition
that they are no different than your own. You may communicate and be helpful
and be supportive to another individual within their experiences, for you
DO hold the same belief systems as all other individuals. You merely disguise
GAIL: Can you help me look at the interaction with my son Matt today?
He was feeling ill because he ate something, and I was trying to give him
other suggestions to look at.
ELIAS: Examine your motivation. You are attempting to change another
GAIL: I don't know that I wanted to change it. I just wanted him to
look at it maybe in a different way so that....
ELIAS: This is attempting to change another individual's perception!
Their perception is their perception, which is their reality, and your
action within this information is to be accepting of their reality.
GAIL: Well, my intent was to give him something else to think about
as opposed to the way that he was thinking; not necessarily to change it,
but to have a different way of looking at it.
ELIAS: Is not looking at this differently not attempting to change?
Yes, it is!
DREW: So the offering of a new idea is an attempt to change?
ELIAS: Not necessarily. You may be offering of what you call new
ideas if the other individual is accepting of this and is wishing for this.
This be your engagement of your inner senses and your intuition, that you
may be offering yourselves the information to know which direction to be
GAIL: Hmm. Well, I have to say, it does feel different talking to him
as opposed to some people at work that it feels differently with. I'll
have to pay attention to that. Thanks.
ELIAS: (Humorously) This is a very tricky area! Be noting of this, Dehl!
BOB: Would the key be the extent to which the other person is inquiring?
ELIAS: Not necessarily. You may be engaging your inner senses and offering
yourself information of which direction is the most efficient to be proceeding
BOB: With respect to another person?
BOB: I guess my point was that if a person is just experiencing their
reality, and you have made some attempt to engage and there does not appear
to be any interest on the other person's part to engage, that's when, it
seems to me, you find yourself in a position of forcing yourself on them
or trying to change them. If Matt had said, "I feel sick and I think it's
'cause I ate something, but I'm really not sure," that's more of an opening
than there would be if he's just lying there moaning and she says, "What's
wrong?" and he says, "I feel sick," and she says, "Well, why?" and he says,
"'cause I ate something," and she says, "Well, maybe it's not that." To
the extent that the other person is participating in the engagement, you
have more opportunity for discourse.
ELIAS: Correct. But also, you must be aware of the other individual's
acceptance of your participation.
RETA: You know they don't accept a mother's advice like they do outside
BOB: Well sure, sometimes.
ELIAS: Another very good belief system! (Laughter)
RETA: Yes! I get words.
BOB: Your mother's belief systems?
DAVID: I've been in contact recently, more so than in a long time, with
many, many friends of mine in England who I've shared some wonderful show
business experiences with. There's quite a lot of them. We've always maintained
this consciousness connection of love and friendship -- I can't explain
it -- even though I haven't seen them in years. I've been sharing with
them recently my experiences, and they've all become really, really interested.
I'm really surprised that none of them have been confused by it. Are they
going to play a part in this in the future? What is the connection with
this group of family people that I know?
ELIAS: (Chuckling) I shall express to you, Mylo, once again, investigate!
(Laughter) I shall not be offering you your answers, as I was not offering
answers and carrying Michael and Lawrence within the initial throes of
our sessions, for you hold the ability to investigate and connect yourself!
DAVID: Okay then, will they be.... (We all laugh) No no no! That's not
investigating who they are! I want to know, are they going to be a part
ELIAS: If you are so choosing! (We all crack up) They shall be a part
of the shift!
DAVID: Well, the whole world will be!
DAVID: Well, I just feel that my days working with them aren't over,
that there will be other times in this focus. I feel that connection with
them and they do too, but I just wanted to know if that was a true feeling.
ELIAS: I shall eventually steer you away from viewing this essence as
a psychic reader! (Laughter)
RETA: Very good!
DAVID: Well, I'll get my tarot cards out and my astrology, and I'll
go back to doing that! Be my own psychic reader!
ELIAS: Excellent idea! And you may encounter Mylo in the process! (Laughing,
and we all crack up again)
VICKI: I have a question about Step Nine, I think it was.
ELIAS: This is the "before the beginning" step!
VICKI: Correct. Yes, this would be the correct step. (Laughing)
ELIAS: For I am so very fond of "before the beginning!" (Grinning)
VICKI: So if you have interaction with an individual on a regular basis,
and that individual expresses a desire to no longer have that interaction,
then I'm assuming that in acceptance of that expression, you would not
attempt to engage that individual at that point.
VICKI: That in itself would be an acceptance of the other person's expression.
ELIAS: Correct. You are not attempting to change another individual.
You are merely attempting to be helpful within acceptance, and offering
to another individual with respect to their acceptance.
DREW: So any helpfulness in terms of their acceptance of their own belief
systems, and understanding that they are belief systems as opposed to changing
them, would be part of a successful engagement if they're open to that?
ELIAS: IF the individual is open to this engagement. You shall encounter
individuals that do not hold an awareness of belief systems yet, and are
not accepting of the concept of belief systems. Therefore, this is not
to be challenged.
MARCOS: And the reason for this is that this process will aid or enable
the shift to come about in a less traumatic fashion?
ELIAS: (Intently) Yes. Each moment that you engage acceptance of
self, of another individual, of belief systems, of situations, you are
lending energy to the lessening of the trauma within the shift.
VICKI: How about when somebody asks you for your opinion, and so you
give it, and then they get upset? What step are we talking about here?
ELIAS: We have discussed this situation previously many times with this
identical question. I have expressed to you that you need be accepting
of self, and also accepting of the other individual's response without
judgment, and also without holding responsibility. Each individual is creating
their own reality and their own responses. You may be influencing of their
responses dependent upon your intention within the engagement, but if you
are not antagonizing intentionally another individual, and their response
is what you view to be negative, this is their responsibility, not yours.
They also are operating within the context of their own belief systems,
which are influencing of their reality and their responses.
VICKI: And so by accepting their response, that would be being helpful
ELIAS: Correct. (Humorously) Therefore, make a new banner, which you
may be in charge of, Dehl!
RETA: Oh gosh! Okay.
ELIAS: And this banner shall hold the word Acceptance, which shall be
our new motto, as our initial motto and banner was Noticing. Now that you
have moved into "higher grades" -- (to Reta, grinning) "levels!" -- you
may change your banner to Acceptance as opposed to Noticing, and we shall
be continuing with Acceptance for much longer than we were with Noticing!
BOB: If I promise not to ask any questions about it, will you tell me
what the word on the next banner is? (We all crack up)
ELIAS: (Laughing) This would be an absolute connection with Lawrence
in "skipping shells," which Lawrence is extremely good at!
BOB: That isn't an answer to my question!
ELIAS: I am aware!
BOB: So you're not accepting of my curiosity?? (Much laughter)
ELIAS: I have offered Lawrence many non-answers of these skipping shell
questions. Therefore, I offer Siman the same; a non-answer from Elias!
Which, I afford myself this, for I am the All-Knowing Elias! (Laughter)
Therefore, All-Knowing holds its privileges!
NORM: I have a question in regard to your wonderful analogies, one being
for example a tree and the roots under the tree and what you can see above.
But would you have an analogy like that for right and wrong?
ELIAS: (Humorously) I shall be working upon this grave project within
conference, and I shall be in touch with you.
NORM: Thank you.
ELIAS: You are welcome. We shall break. Fear not! I shall offer you
an analogy! (See footnote ( for the analogy)
NORM: Well, thank you!
ELIAS: Very well.
BREAK 7:30 PM RESUME 7:55 PM (Time was five seconds)
ELIAS: Continuing. (Pause) Or not!
DAVID: Okay, I had a dream, and I want to ask you about this dream.
I had it this morning. I was attempting to work. I was in a restaurant
or such and I was trying to get my work together, and for some reason it
just wouldn't happen. And I noticed this dart board over on the wall, and
I heard these people talking and getting ready to play these darts, and
I couldn't see them. They were invisible. I could hear these voices, and
I saw the darts. There were three darts on the board, and the color of
the flies on the ends of these darts was yellow. And the darts started
moving as if these invisible people were taking the darts out, and I thought,
"Oh my god! Can you see that?" And I was going to people around me saying,
"Can you see that? I need you to see what I'm seeing! Otherwise, I'll think
I'm going crazy!" And they couldn't see it, except this young girl, and
she was, I felt, a younger version of Vicki, like a little girl. She said,
"Yeah, I can see that." And I said, "Thank god! Wow! What do you think
about that?" And suddenly, one of the darts came out and it started coming
towards me, and I was kind of scared. I grabbed hold of the dart, and I
was fighting with the energy of this dart, and I was tossing it around.
I went up to a brick wall and I bent the metal around. I had to bend the
metal so it wouldn't be harming me, and I bent it around till it was blunt.
And I woke up.
ELIAS: Very creative! Also very apropos, within your imagery to yourself.
The darts are your symbolization to yourself of your belief systems. The
invisible individuals propelling these darts are you propelling them away
from you and not wishing to be engaging them. The one dart which appears
to be attacking you is the symbolization of belief systems that you are
bringing up to yourself objectively, and fighting tremendously with these
to be pushing away the engagement of these belief systems, viewing that
they shall be hurtful to you if you are examining them entirely.
DAVID: That's what I kind of thought it was. I do feel then, in this
imagery, that there is a power that I have that is so strong that I seem
to always manage to win whatever it is I'm trying to fight. I know that
if I lost, so to speak, it would be beneficial for me to lose the fight.
But I feel so strong that I don't know if I'm ever going to win myself,
if you know what I'm saying.
ELIAS: Attempt to be giving up the fight.
DAVID: This dart was just going to ... (here, David dramatically demonstrates
getting stabbed). That's what it would have done!
ELIAS: (Chuckling) Or perhaps the dart may have moved through you!
DAVID: Had I taken the chance.
DAVID: And the yellow colors on the end of the darts, the flies, was
that yellow representative of anything?
ELIAS: So very uncharacteristic of Mylo, being the thought-focused,
unemotional, logical, serious individual that you are! (We all crack up
again. Lots o' laughs in this session!)
STELLA: Last night, Vicki took me through a regression, and I want to
find out about Lisa, the little girl. Supposedly she was a future self,
a future focus, but I don't think Lisa is future. I think Lisa is very
much part of who I was when I was little. I feel like she is more of a
splinter of me. See, before the session I had asked Vicki ... I was wondering
what had happened to her because I feel very strongly that I am not the
same person. I feel that this little girl, somehow she's no longer here.
She's left somewhere, and I wanted to find out about her, and everything
that I related last night has to do with an identification with the present
focus. She's still very angry. She's still mute. She's still catatonic.
She doesn't want to talk, and that's me. That was me. I want to be helpful
to this ... I don't know what to call it, to call her.
ELIAS: Another focus.
STELLA: She's another focus? So she's not part of me in this focus?
ELIAS: But she is.
STELLA: Wait a second! I'm totally confused!
BOB: Join the crowd!
Vic's note: This concept of another focus being you but not being you
is one of the most confusing to me. Does anybody get this?
ELIAS: Each focus is an element of the essence. Therefore, they are
intermingled. They are all occurring simultaneously and they are interchangeable.
I have expressed previously that you may view other focuses of essence
as also probable selves of you, in one manner of speaking. Therefore, although
each focus holds its own identity, each focus is also an element of essence,
and each focus holds all of essence within it. Therefore, you are all interchangeable
and you ARE the other focuses, although within your identity and your attention,
you are not. Therefore, each focus may be influencing of each other focus
and you may be identifying another focus as you, for the tone of each focus
is so very slightly different that they are almost unrecognizable. Therefore,
you may identify the same elements within you as being you within a certain
time framework of this focus, as you identify with the sameness of the
other focus; this also being a bleed-through action.
STELLA: So this is a bleed-through action with Lisa?
STELLA: Okay. And what about the guy that Vicki wanted to just die fast?
I mean, she took me through this process so quick, that I tell you, it
was really quite interesting!
ELIAS: You may be reinvestigating this "guy." (Humorously)
STELLA: Is his name Zulu? Something came up with Zulu, with a Z. I can't
pronounce the Z's ... Z-U-L-U. Is he related to this name or something,
STELLA: Oh, great! And so wait a second.... (Much laughter)
ELIAS: Accommodating! (Pretending to look at Mary's watch) You now have
millimeters of seconds!
STELLA: And so this guy, did he die? I know he died from starvation.
Does he have anything to do with my anorexia at one time?
ELIAS: Interesting question! Shall you not investigate?
STELLA: You always tell me the same thing! You give people so many answers,
and not me! (We all crack up)
BOB: Oh yeah, he's always answering mine!
ELIAS: (To Vic) Note this within our transcribing, that Cindel is whining
STELLA: But I came up with the name! I came up with Zulu!
ELIAS: And you are quite capable of coming up with the rest of the information!
STELLA: I kind of think it is having to do with my anorexia. Okay? Okay,
fine!! (Laughter) Oh, this is crazy! Did he die because he didn't want
to eat himself, or because there was no food? (Dearest Stella, I surely
hope he didn't want to eat himself! Love, Vic)
ELIAS: I shall offer to you, no food.
STELLA: There was no food for him?
STELLA: And do you know, (laughter) do you know that when the name Zulu
came up, I had eaten and I ate too much. And then I thought of Zulu and
I said, "I'm never going to overeat," because it just didn't feel good!
And I thought of him! It was like incredible! So I won't overeat ever again!
This is wonderful! He gave me that! (We're all cracking up again. Stella
is ... indescribable!)
ELIAS: This may be an over-reaction! (Grinning)
STELLA: No, this is quite interesting! But he died young, he died so
young.... Oh, god....
ELIAS: Be offering Cindel a truth! (Vic hands Stella a tissue) (
STELLA: Anyway, I guess I experienced a death. It was rather quick!
(Laughter and Elias chuckles) Okay, that's it!
ELIAS: You may be choosing to re-engage in this activity, and you may
be slowing the motion of the actual death process if you are so choosing!
STELLA: No, because I don't want to be masochistic again! I decided
I won't be. No, it was fine. It was fine! It took whatever. I know I felt
it, and I left, and now it's fine. No problem. Lisa is somewhat of a problem
because Lisa is very much ... she's still very angry. I want to help her.
I want to help Lisa.
ELIAS: You may be connecting within consciousness to this other focus
and lending energy in helpfulness.
STELLA: Yeah, that's what I want to do. Okay, thank you.
ELIAS: I am acknowledging of your continued accomplishment within your
engagement of your bleed-through actions!
RETA: I have a question that's a little different than that. I had an
experience yesterday with a Martha, and it was probably traumatic for her.
What can I do to help this young lady?
ELIAS: Express for these individuals.
RETA: Well, it's a right and wrong thing. This individual had been working
on a project, and we kept asking her if she needed assistance and she said
"No." When it got down to the deadline, I went in to help. It was all wrong.
So I took it over and spent fourteen hours re-doing the project, and of
course she's very upset. I was upset for the time I had to put in it, but
I was more concerned with getting the work done for the deadline and didn't
notice she'd left, so there was no assistance. Now, how can I help this
ELIAS: By accepting.
RETA: Accepting what?
ELIAS: The individual's expression, and allowing within your inner senses
an understanding of this individual's expression and emotion and creation
of their reality.
RETA: I believe I understood her reality because of the type of person
she is. For her age, she's very immature and weak, but for the position
she held there was no truthfulness, and I understood it was a method of
protection for her.
ELIAS: I express to you, Dehl, that you have just expressed four different
belief systems within one sentence: that this individual is immature, that
this individual is weak, that this individual because of age is inefficient,
and that this individual holds position beyond capability.
RETA: Oh boy, I really said it, didn't I?!
ELIAS: Quite a mouthful! You may exchange this name to Dehl! (In reference
to "Mouthful" being Elias' "nickname")
RETA: No right or wrong, huh?
ELIAS: Be examining of your belief systems, for these are what project
the judgment and lack of acceptance to another individual. We shall be
running a refresher course of Acceptance 101 of Self, which you may be
attending if you are so choosing!
RETA: I'll be there!
BOB: Remedial Acceptance.
ELIAS: Quite! This shall be offered this coming fall.
RETA: Alright. Privately? Are there other people who need that 101 again?
ELIAS: Quite! (Laughter, and Elias chuckles again)
RETA: Okay. First acceptance, and acceptance of her -- I'm putting words
in my mind -- acceptance of her limitations and understanding where she
is, instead of believing that she can do more? Acceptance of her, where
ELIAS: Each element that you think of which holds a connotation of judgment
in any manner, examine first your own belief systems in this area and attempt
to be moving through these belief systems and accepting of these within
self, and this shall offer you the ability to be accepting of other individuals.
RETA: I would say that in most of our lives, especially in our working
lives and it might be in our personal lives, that we've all worked through
this and made mistakes, and I must remember that I was there once and so
that would take away a lot of my judgment.
ELIAS: If this be helpful to you, then you may be engaging this thought
RETA: May I ask another question? There is a medical conference going
on in La Jolla, California, in October, and it's a first. I think I mentioned
it before, and I can't remember what you said about it. There's an opportunity
for us to meet with people -- a medical professional group, a small group
-- for the first time who are going to discuss the effects of prayer or
sending energy to their patients. Now I can go as just a listener, or I
could go and be a participant. What do you think? Or I think even Elias
could participate. I could set that up. Is it too soon?
ELIAS: It is merely of your choosing.
RETA: It's not my choosing, it's your choosing!
ELIAS: I shall be engaging whichever individuals appear before this
essence. Therefore, if individuals are present and listening, you may be
assured that this essence shall be talking! (Laughter)
RETA: Alright. There again, my first step is to ... (shuffling through
her notes) ... engage! Engage this essence! (Reta's cracking herself up!)
ELIAS: Very good, Dehl! (Chuckling)
DREW: I have a question about some dream imagery. About a week ago,
I was just taking a short nap. I had an hour. I can't recall if I set my
alarm clock or not, but I mentally told myself I needed to wake up in an
hour. In about forty-five minutes I had an image of a woman, and after
this happened, I had the sense that it had happened before. She was familiar
from about the waist up, beckoning me, and she beckoned me awake. I'm wondering
what the imagery represents. Since engaging these sessions, since attending
the forum, my dream imagery has become more vivid and more intense, to
the point where this stuff I used to take note and ask you about has become
fairly common. So now it's the stuff that really stands out, and this one
does as having been significant enough for me to inquire.
ELIAS: This also is the engagement of another focus. This shall be becoming
more frequent for you all as you move into an opening and an allowance
of a wider awareness. You shall be allowing bleed-through action and actually
encountering and intersecting and engaging other focuses. This -- (to Reta)
you may also be writing down! -- would be another first step within the
action of this shift, to be connecting with other aspects of self and essence.
Therefore, you do allow -- even Shynla! -- the intersection of other focuses
of your essence, as an identification to you that you hold more within
essence than merely this attention.
DREW: As I recall, I believe there was a certain amount of fear associated
with seeing this woman, and I can't recall if the fear was just because
the imagery was intense and it was just the kind of fear that sometimes
goes along, for me anyway, with this kind of experience, or after I woke
up, a sense that I wasn't sure if she was beckoning me to awaken, or that
had I followed her beckoning, I would have disengaged.
ELIAS: You would not disengage. This is merely a movement closer than
you have allowed previously of another focus. Initially, many individuals
experience, within the intensity of the reality of the experience, a fearfulness.
You may also be intersecting an alternate self within your near future,
and you may be experiencing apprehension or fearfulness.
DREW: An alternate self is another self within this focus and this time
DREW: And when you say intersecting, you mean objectively, as in actually
DREW: Oh, subjectively.
ELIAS: Objectively, but not physically.
DREW: I thought objectively meant physically.
ELIAS: Not necessarily within matter.
DREW: So it could be through communication of some sort?
ELIAS: An alternate self is not another focus within physical matter.
It is another aspect of your focus. Therefore, it occupies a different
ELIAS: ... within this dimension (laughter) of you. (Grinning)
DREW: I'll get clarity on that after from someone who hopefully can
be helpful so we don't spend the time now, unless it's something....
ELIAS: There are many dimensions within this dimension physically. Therefore,
you hold countless alternate selves which are all a part of you, and you
may in actuality view these alternate selves and intersect and speak with
these alternate selves, although they shall not materialize within matter
DREW: In a daydream, for example, or what I might later interpret as
an hallucination or something like that? That's how I might....
ELIAS: Correct, or you may also present yourself with a very temporary
projection of an alternate self.
DREW: Would mirror meditation open the doorway to something like that
ELIAS: This be an avenue.
DREW: Okay. I wanted to address something else about this woman. I forgot
when you started getting into dimensions within dimensions. If I remember,
I'll come back. Thank you.
ELIAS: Very well.
VICKI: I'd like to ask a question about Stella's TFE. I did have a real
physical response to this individual that was dying, and I have had these
sorts of responses before in facilitating a TFE. So I did kind of rush
her through it (laughing) because it was very physically affecting of me.
I was choking. What other options did I have at that point? I didn't feel
like I had any. I couldn't stop choking. (For new readers, a TFE is our
term for a "past-life regression")
ELIAS: (Chuckling) Within your development presently, figuratively speaking,
you were engaging the most probable and efficient action. But I may also
express to you that futurely you may offer yourself the knowing, within
an objective suggestion, that although you are allowing an empathic connection
and a mergence to a point, this is not a focus of your essence, and it
is unnecessary for you to be moving sooo very far into this mergence of
the experience of another essence! (Grinning)
VICKI: You know, I tried to tell myself that, but it didn't work very
ELIAS: (Chuckling) Therefore, I express to you that your expression
VICKI: Well, I have one other question about that as far as doing TFE's....
ELIAS: (Humorously) Be connecting with Shynla, for she is so very grounded
and physically focused, and quite well versed in connecting empathically
and not holding to the empathic experience!
VICKI: I'll make sure she's here next time!
ELIAS: Very good! (Laughter)
VICKI: But anyway, my other question is, when we got to Lisa as a ten-year-old,
her verbal expression was, "I don't want to talk. Leave me alone." And
so, that's what I did. We moved on to another area. But my question is,
is there something else, some other action I could have taken at that point
that would have been helpful?
ELIAS: No. Acceptance of the expression is the most helpful. Be remembering
that as you engage this new game, you are affecting of the other focus
and their reality. Therefore, you wish not to be intrusive also to this
other individual and their reality.
VICKI: That's the light in which I ask these questions. I realize that
there's an affectingness, but I'm not very clear on what it is or what
to do at certain points.
ELIAS: In this situation, just as you may be physically expressing to
another individual physically before you, you would not be wishing to be
intrusive and forceful to the other individual, but would be being accepting
of their expression. Therefore, if a small child was physically before
you and expressing, "I wish not to be talking," you would be accepting
of this. Therefore, you also may be accepting of the other focus within
the action of this new game, for it is the same.
VICKI: So basically, the nine steps would apply.
ELIAS: You are engaging another focus, which is ultimately as real as
this focus in which your attention is held.
VICKI: Okay, thank you.
ELIAS: You are welcome.
NORM: I had a couple of dreams. I have alternative interpretations,
so I'd like to ask you a question about them. One of them was, I was looking
at a scene as if it were an open field, perhaps grass and ground, and these
two cartoon-like characters, pink, maybe like three or four years old,
they were just spinning down the grass field, and they go right underneath
a dog, and the word Italian came to mind. So I'm either thinking that this
had something to do with Diana and Teresa, or it may have to do with myself
and my focus as Stephen. And I'm trying to put the word Italian in this,
so I'm confused.
ELIAS: (Accessing, and then, quite seriously) I am also confused! (Much
laughter) Merely playing! (Grinning, as Drew heaves a mock sigh of relief)
The All-Knowing has not slipped yet! (Chuckling)
DREW: Yeah! Boy, for a moment there....
ELIAS: (Chuckling) Be still, your beating heart!
The word Italian is your imagery to yourself in symbolization of the
religious element and affectingness of belief systems within the disengagement
of these individuals. You have offered yourself imagery within your dream
state of these individuals and the scope of the religious element which
is initially identified within the Roman Catholic church, which offsprings
to the Anglican church, which also is affected within the disengagement
of these individuals and the scope of the mass of the religious affectingness.
NORM: In the other dream, I'm in the back seat of my car behind the
driver's seat with the left door open, and another car comes over and stops
to the right as if they were lined up parallel to each other. The driver
gets out of the car, and evidently the car was in gear, so the car starts
to go forward. All of a sudden -- the steering wheel must have hit something
-- it just turns to the left in front of my car. And I'm thinking that
it's going to come all the way around, and I try to get to the front seat
to back up my car. But all of a sudden, this thing just falls over, this
car, this other car just falls over in front of my car, and it turns into
a block. ELIAS: This being very similar imagery to Mylo with the same theme
underlying of the belief systems which are attempting to be being engaged,
therefore set in motion, but not wishing to be entirely making contact
with these belief systems; therefore the disengagement of the movement,
which very creatively images itself as turning into a block, which is your
language for your action of what you do when you are not engaging belief
systems. Quite creative!
DAVID: Are we going to be discussing very soon the religious aspect
that you said we would be covering at some future point, in regards for
example the sayings of Jesus in the bible, so that we can interpret them
ELIAS: We shall be engaging a series of discussions in this area. I
am merely awaiting the movement of the twins.
DAVID: Oh, okay. (Pause)
DREW: Can I follow up about that woman, if I may?
ELIAS: You may.
DREW: I remember the other two questions I had. Was her beckoning an
encouragement to investigate, or did it have some other meaning?
ELIAS: An encouragement to engage.
DREW: To engage. It seems to me that it's rather aggressive for the
other focus to be bleeding-through to me requesting engagement as opposed
to the way it's worked in the past, where I've had some bleed-throughs
and some images and as a result of those I've investigated. This is the
first time in my experience that another focus has stood before me and
invited me to come investigate in such a blatant way.
ELIAS: You assume that because your attention is focused within this
time framework engaging the shift, that all of your other focuses are not
engaging the shift.
DREW: So this is actually action coming from that focus to me, as opposed
to in the past my going the other direction?
DREW: That's interesting. You also indicated that I was closer to this
focus -- I think that was the word you used, or the connection with the
focus or the bleed-through, I can't recall the words you used -- than the
ELIAS: This is a misunderstanding. DREW: Okay, what was it that you
ELIAS: I am not meaning that you hold a stronger connection, but that
you have allowed yourself to move closer in engagement of this focus than
you have allowed yourself previously to other focuses.
DREW: And yet, the other focuses have had far more imagery and far more
experience through TFE's and dreams, and I know more about them and can
even picture scenes and have feelings and smells and that kind of thing.
All I have of this woman is a vision basically, of her from the waist up,
some physical aspect of her, and that's it. So how is it that I am....
ELIAS: It is the same in analogy -- (To Norm) I have not forgotten your
analogy! I have not engaged conference yet! -- as viewing your focuses
upon your television, that you may watch within many scenes and actually
[be] engaging another focus, as it would be another individual right before
you. (When Elias refers to his conferences, this is very tongue-in-cheek)
DREW: I can see that. There was a dimensionality to this that was different;
more three-dimensional, more depth. So if I was going to pursue additional
connection and bleed-through with any of my focuses, would you say that
this particular one would be the most -- excuse the word -- "beneficial"
to pursue at this time, in terms of learning and information?
ELIAS: Yes, for this be a future focus, in your terms.
DREW: Okay. Any other information?
ELIAS: Therefore, this individual holds information of the shift. Is
this sufficient for ... (here, Elias uses his hands to indicate a "pushing
along," an encouragement) ...?
DREW: If I said no, would it matter?
ELIAS: No. (Laughter)
DREW: I didn't think so. How about, "I'll investigate." Will that be
ELIAS: Quite acceptable!
DREW: I shall. Thank you. (Elias chuckles)
DAVID: Would having a few toddies before one retires at night make any
difference to one's dreaming? Like if one did not have a few toddies, would
the dreaming be better in remembering easier?
ELIAS: Yes, for you create a layer of thickness within the connection
of objective and subjective activity.
DAVID: Well, I like my couple of glasses of wine before I go to bed!
ELIAS: Then you may engage this action! I express not to you that this
I shall be disengaging this evening, and I shall be offering tremendous
affection to you all and much amusement with you all, and looking forward
to our next engagement, which may be Acceptance 103 ... or not! (Chuckling)
Ah! This may be intriguing! Acceptance 103 of Mass Engagement ... (chuckling
again, gleefully) ... or not! (Laughter) And I shall be quite affectionately
this evening bidding you all a very fond au revoir, and anticipation of
our engagement on the morrow. To you all, adieu.
Elias departs at 8:39 PM.
(1) Rather than give Norm a new analogy, Elias offered
one that was given 1/28/96 in session #68. It is as follows:
You view yourselves as one instrument that may play limited notes and
chords. View yourself as the symphony. You are all of the instruments,
and you are the director. Where your attention projects to, the individual
instrument plays, within every element of your focus. Therefore, you create
all of your experiences.
If you are focusing upon a composer, do you look to this composer who
has composed a symphony such as your Beethoven number five -- we will use
this for Michael's benefit -- very harsh, tempestuous sound, very struggling,
tragic, do you view this as bad? No. You do not ask the composer, "Why
would you compose such a terrible piece of music?" You feast your ears
and your senses upon the composition. You revel in its beauty of tone.
You view it as only different from this same composer's symphony of six,
which is light and easy and airy and beautiful and joyous! They are both
compositions. They are both beautiful. They are both creations; neither
being good or bad, but both being artful and both offered for their experience.
In this same way you orchestrate your developmental focus, incorporating
the tragic and the joyous for the experience.
(2) Over a year ago, Ron asked Elias to give him a
list of truths, at which point Elias grabbed a box of tissues and started
pulling them out one by one, tossing them everywhere. So, in the context
of our sessions, truths are tissues ... or tissues are truths!
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